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		<title>By: Reduce, Re-use, Recycle &#124; A Stubborn Mule's Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4109</link>
		<dc:creator>Reduce, Re-use, Recycle &#124; A Stubborn Mule's Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Olympic Medals per Capita [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1393</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have now started tracking the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/09/paralympics-medals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paralympics medal tally&lt;/a&gt; in the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have now started tracking the <a href="http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/09/paralympics-medals/">Paralympics medal tally</a> in the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paralympics Medal Tallies &#124; A Stubborn Mule's Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1385</link>
		<dc:creator>Paralympics Medal Tallies &#124; A Stubborn Mule's Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to a win in the Men&#8217;s Discus Throw by Tanto Campbell. When the 2008 Olypmic Games concluded, I deemed Jamaica the overall winner, based on their third place rank by GDP and second place rank per capita. It will be interesting to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to a win in the Men&#8217;s Discus Throw by Tanto Campbell. When the 2008 Olypmic Games concluded, I deemed Jamaica the overall winner, based on their third place rank by GDP and second place rank per capita. It will be interesting to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mongolian: thanks for the information...makes the Mongolian results look all the more impressive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mongolian: thanks for the information&#8230;makes the Mongolian results look all the more impressive!</p>
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		<title>By: Mongolian</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Mongolian atheletes&#039; training country, I can say all 4 medalists have been training in Mongolia.
Actually, Mongolia exports olympic medalists to other countries.
DORJSUREN Munkhbayar from Germany who won bronze medal in women&#039;s shooting, have participated Olympics Games as Mongolian athlete. But this time she chnaged her citizenship to German.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Mongolian atheletes&#8217; training country, I can say all 4 medalists have been training in Mongolia.<br />
Actually, Mongolia exports olympic medalists to other countries.<br />
DORJSUREN Munkhbayar from Germany who won bronze medal in women&#8217;s shooting, have participated Olympics Games as Mongolian athlete. But this time she chnaged her citizenship to German.</p>
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		<title>By: Olympic media scrum still needs bloggers &#171; Beyond Digital Media</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Olympic media scrum still needs bloggers &#171; Beyond Digital Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For the full report and charts see Olympic Medal Count by Population and GDP [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/08/olympic-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard: Thanks for your comments! I saw the Symworld rankings and mine are essentially the same. Crikey used this data and quoted the Gold per Capita rankings, which certainly put New Zealand ahead of Australia. However, if you switch to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php?sort=total&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Symworld&#039;s total per capita&lt;/a&gt; ranking then, as in my data, Australia jumps ahead (the same is true if you look at &quot;score&quot; per capita with 3 points for Gold, etc).

There are a few little errors in the Symworld data. For example, they have got the Dominican Republic&#039;s population out by a factor of 10 (their figure is too small), and so ranked them too high. Also, they have a very large estimate of Zimbabwe&#039;s GDP (at least compared to the World Bank or the CIA World Factbook), which is why they don&#039;t have Zimbabwe on top of the GDP rankings. Of course, this place is nothing to celebrate as it just reflects the parlous state of their economy!

My starting point in exploring this data was to think about return on investment as there is no doubt that Australia spends a lot on sport. Of course getting that sort of data across countries is extremely difficult and, as you point out, even then other problems would arise such as where athletes trained.

As you say though, all in all Australia and New Zealand do perform extremely well. Of course our media do seem to be a little upset that with the UK starting to spend money on sport that they are now doing much better than in the last few Games. Once they have the host boost in 2012, there&#039;s no telling how well they&#039;ll do, so we need to brace ourselves in preparation for the resurgent Britons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard: Thanks for your comments! I saw the Symworld rankings and mine are essentially the same. Crikey used this data and quoted the Gold per Capita rankings, which certainly put New Zealand ahead of Australia. However, if you switch to <a href="http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php?sort=total">Symworld&#8217;s total per capita</a> ranking then, as in my data, Australia jumps ahead (the same is true if you look at &#8220;score&#8221; per capita with 3 points for Gold, etc).</p>
<p>There are a few little errors in the Symworld data. For example, they have got the Dominican Republic&#8217;s population out by a factor of 10 (their figure is too small), and so ranked them too high. Also, they have a very large estimate of Zimbabwe&#8217;s GDP (at least compared to the World Bank or the CIA World Factbook), which is why they don&#8217;t have Zimbabwe on top of the GDP rankings. Of course, this place is nothing to celebrate as it just reflects the parlous state of their economy!</p>
<p>My starting point in exploring this data was to think about return on investment as there is no doubt that Australia spends a lot on sport. Of course getting that sort of data across countries is extremely difficult and, as you point out, even then other problems would arise such as where athletes trained.</p>
<p>As you say though, all in all Australia and New Zealand do perform extremely well. Of course our media do seem to be a little upset that with the UK starting to spend money on sport that they are now doing much better than in the last few Games. Once they have the host boost in 2012, there&#8217;s no telling how well they&#8217;ll do, so we need to brace ourselves in preparation for the resurgent Britons!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting weighting method - I use http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php for adjusted comparison - but then again am a one-eyed kiwi living in Australia so will automatically go to the site which ranks NZ ahead :o)

I read recently that the average Australian taxpayer spend per medal is approx 17.3 million dollars (AUD) and the NZ taxpayer spend per medal is approx 10 million (NZD) which is, balanced for currency difference, a factor of 2:1 (which sounds about right). 

However I don&#039;t think taxpayer spend (or for that matter GDP) is a fair yardstick. There would surely be economies of scale, and it taxpayer $ doesn&#039;t take into account *actual* per-athlete spend. If you have 1,000 athletes who have $10,000 spent on of them, and between them they get 1 gold, you spent $10million on that gold....but only $10k per athlete. 

As Jon mentioned above, there should be also a reference to the country the athlete trains in, as there are numerous athletes who reap the benefits of top-line competition in other countries.

Finally, the figure fails to take into account athlete endorsement and sponsorship. A top athlete from Kenya is hardly likely to garner the same income as Mr Phelps or Ms Rice will, and I feel this is a huge contributory factor. 

I am immensely proud that NZ can mix it with the world - c&#039;mon, man, we are a small country with a small economy way out the arse-end of nowhere - and think Australia can be justifiably proud of its achievements as well.  I also think that the gap between the top 8 or so countries and the rest of the world continues to grow, and that&#039;s sad, because the focus has moved away from the joy of the sporting contest to the self-satisfaction of dominating the medal table. That&#039;s sport in the modern age, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting weighting method &#8211; I use <a href="http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php">http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php</a> for adjusted comparison &#8211; but then again am a one-eyed kiwi living in Australia so will automatically go to the site which ranks NZ ahead :o)</p>
<p>I read recently that the average Australian taxpayer spend per medal is approx 17.3 million dollars (AUD) and the NZ taxpayer spend per medal is approx 10 million (NZD) which is, balanced for currency difference, a factor of 2:1 (which sounds about right). </p>
<p>However I don&#8217;t think taxpayer spend (or for that matter GDP) is a fair yardstick. There would surely be economies of scale, and it taxpayer $ doesn&#8217;t take into account *actual* per-athlete spend. If you have 1,000 athletes who have $10,000 spent on of them, and between them they get 1 gold, you spent $10million on that gold&#8230;.but only $10k per athlete. </p>
<p>As Jon mentioned above, there should be also a reference to the country the athlete trains in, as there are numerous athletes who reap the benefits of top-line competition in other countries.</p>
<p>Finally, the figure fails to take into account athlete endorsement and sponsorship. A top athlete from Kenya is hardly likely to garner the same income as Mr Phelps or Ms Rice will, and I feel this is a huge contributory factor. </p>
<p>I am immensely proud that NZ can mix it with the world &#8211; c&#8217;mon, man, we are a small country with a small economy way out the arse-end of nowhere &#8211; and think Australia can be justifiably proud of its achievements as well.  I also think that the gap between the top 8 or so countries and the rest of the world continues to grow, and that&#8217;s sad, because the focus has moved away from the joy of the sporting contest to the self-satisfaction of dominating the medal table. That&#8217;s sport in the modern age, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know what happened there (dodgy eyesight?) but Mongolia is actually further down the MPC ranking and so Australia is still fifth per capita. But Mongolia has pushed Jamaica to 3rd place in medals by GDP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know what happened there (dodgy eyesight?) but Mongolia is actually further down the MPC ranking and so Australia is still fifth per capita. But Mongolia has pushed Jamaica to 3rd place in medals by GDP.</p>
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		<title>By: meneame.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>meneame.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Medallas con mérito: medallas per cápita [ENG]...&lt;/strong&gt;

Los Juegos han terminado. Con la tradicional clasificación del medallero, las grandes potencias suelen encabezarlo. Pero ¿qué pasaría si hacemos la clasificación en términos relativos, de medallas en relación a la población o el P.I.B. del paí...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Medallas con mérito: medallas per cápita [ENG]&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Los Juegos han terminado. Con la tradicional clasificación del medallero, las grandes potencias suelen encabezarlo. Pero ¿qué pasaría si hacemos la clasificación en términos relativos, de medallas en relación a la población o el P.I.B. del paí&#8230;</p>
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