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		<title>By: Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack has jumped the candlestick &#187; The Canadian Politics Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack has jumped the candlestick &#187; The Canadian Politics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a burning candle produces 7x more CO2 output per lumen of light than a 40W incandescent lightbulb (calculation here). To decry our own greed and supposed inefficiencies, Layton harkens back to a time before the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack has jumped the candlestick &#124; The Canadian Politics Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack has jumped the candlestick &#124; The Canadian Politics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a burning candle produces 7x more CO2 output per lumen of light than a 40W incandescent lightbulb (calculation here). To decry our own greed and supposed inefficiencies, Layton harkens back to a time before the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a burning candle produces 7x more CO2 output per lumen of light than a 40W incandescent lightbulb (calculation here). To decry our own greed and supposed inefficiencies, Layton harkens back to a time before the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/comment-page-1/#comment-3980</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;harry: &lt;/b&gt;I&#039;d have to agree that energy-saving bulbs are the best way to go. I suppose for many people, though, they are not as much fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>harry: </b>I&#8217;d have to agree that energy-saving bulbs are the best way to go. I suppose for many people, though, they are not as much fun.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is, its better to use energy saving bulbs than going to all this kinds. Using oils for lighting may also affect health. Thanks for sharing with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is, its better to use energy saving bulbs than going to all this kinds. Using oils for lighting may also affect health. Thanks for sharing with us.</p>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/comment-page-1/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t judge paraffin versus soy based purely on cost. In terms of carbon emissions, both would emit carbon. An argument can be made that candles from renewable sources (including beeswax and soy) are preferable to those from non-renewable sources (paraffin). While this would not reduce the emissions from burning a single candle, at least the carbon release, capture cycle is shorter: the existence of the industry making these candles could be argued to increase the rate of carbon capture at the margins. I also found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.articlesbase.com/environment-articles/soy-vs-paraffin-candles-the-great-debate-39919.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a discussion about the two types of candles&lt;/a&gt; that you may find interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t judge paraffin versus soy based purely on cost. In terms of carbon emissions, both would emit carbon. An argument can be made that candles from renewable sources (including beeswax and soy) are preferable to those from non-renewable sources (paraffin). While this would not reduce the emissions from burning a single candle, at least the carbon release, capture cycle is shorter: the existence of the industry making these candles could be argued to increase the rate of carbon capture at the margins. I also found <a href="http://www.articlesbase.com/environment-articles/soy-vs-paraffin-candles-the-great-debate-39919.html">a discussion about the two types of candles</a> that you may find interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: All Candle Supplies</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/comment-page-1/#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>All Candle Supplies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think paraffin is better than soy wax since it&#039;s cheaper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think paraffin is better than soy wax since it&#8217;s cheaper?</p>
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		<title>By: stubbornmule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/comment-page-1/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator>stubbornmule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sara: If only people were lighting just one candle! Articles like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/environment/earth-hour/indians-recognise-issue-of-growing-concern-20090327-9e5z.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; show that people assume that any number of candles are better than light-bulbs. Since most candles you buy are paraffin, a fossil fuel, lighting up half a dozen candles is almost certainly going to put you behind in terms of emissions. Also, I would question how many people would turn off their electronics along with the lights. I suspect many computers, TVs, stereos, etc were on while the lights were off.

Of course, as I note in the post, the point is more symbolic than anything else and so I turned off my lights along with everyone else, but tried to keep the candles to a minimum. The real benefits from Earth Hour are firstly raising awareness and secondly the savings from switching off lights in office blocks rather than homes. What annoys me the most, prompting this article, are the restaurants and bars which make a point of participating but by lighting dozens of candles (almost certainly paraffin). They are almost certainly emitting more than they would if they left the lights on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sara: If only people were lighting just one candle! Articles like <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/earth-hour/indians-recognise-issue-of-growing-concern-20090327-9e5z.html">this one</a> show that people assume that any number of candles are better than light-bulbs. Since most candles you buy are paraffin, a fossil fuel, lighting up half a dozen candles is almost certainly going to put you behind in terms of emissions. Also, I would question how many people would turn off their electronics along with the lights. I suspect many computers, TVs, stereos, etc were on while the lights were off.</p>
<p>Of course, as I note in the post, the point is more symbolic than anything else and so I turned off my lights along with everyone else, but tried to keep the candles to a minimum. The real benefits from Earth Hour are firstly raising awareness and secondly the savings from switching off lights in office blocks rather than homes. What annoys me the most, prompting this article, are the restaurants and bars which make a point of participating but by lighting dozens of candles (almost certainly paraffin). They are almost certainly emitting more than they would if they left the lights on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a small candle ... producing 7 grams of CO2 emissions&quot;
&quot;40W incandescent bulb ... 40 grams of CO2 emissions&quot;
&quot;equivalent CFL bulb ... 7 grams of CO2 emissions&quot;

Ok, so a CFL bulb produces the same emissions as a small candle.  If we&#039;re going for equivalent lighting, then the bulb makes sense.  However, most people are running MANY lights in their home in addition to electronics, etc.  If they use only one small candle for the hour, it&#039;s still much better.  And really this is about lowering CO2 emissions.  One candle, one hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a small candle &#8230; producing 7 grams of CO2 emissions&#8221;<br />
&#8220;40W incandescent bulb &#8230; 40 grams of CO2 emissions&#8221;<br />
&#8220;equivalent CFL bulb &#8230; 7 grams of CO2 emissions&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, so a CFL bulb produces the same emissions as a small candle.  If we&#8217;re going for equivalent lighting, then the bulb makes sense.  However, most people are running MANY lights in their home in addition to electronics, etc.  If they use only one small candle for the hour, it&#8217;s still much better.  And really this is about lowering CO2 emissions.  One candle, one hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean,

Yes, the use of candles certainly should be avoided.  And I applaud your analysis -- we need to make sure our efforts are having the effects we intend.  Also, it is good to see that your sensible concluding advice is &quot;not to light too many candles&quot;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25247677-7583,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bjorn Lomborg has used the same facts to argue&lt;/a&gt; in The Australian newspaper that we should give up on Earth Hour altogether, which is the kind of abuse of statistics for which he has become famous.  Funny to note that he has changed his tune since his book The Skeptical Environmentalist, in which he argues that any response to climate change is a waste of effort.
 
Another thing to note is that many participants in Earth Hour will have 100% Green Electricity, in which case turning off the lights has minimal impact, and burning candles is then definitely a bad idea.

I&#039;m not sure I agree though with your conclusion on the difference between carbon in coal and that in candles, namely that &quot;the end result in terms of CO2 in the atmosphere is the same&quot;.  If the wax comes from organic sources, such as beeswax, and not as a by-product of the oil extraction chain, and if the candles would not have been produced if you didn&#039;t purchase them, then the net effect on the atmosphere of you choosing to burn the candle is zero (ignoring the energy used in production, transport, etc.).  The production of the wax trapped carbon from the atmosphere in the candle, and you are just releasing it again.  This is unlike coal, where the production of it drew nothing from the atmosphere.

Of course, you could have bought the candle and then buried it, thus causing a net withdrawal of C02 from the atmosphere -- but that would be an active C02 reduction strategy, much like any carbon capture and storage program, and really has nothing to do with your consumption of lighting. You could have done the same thing if you hadn&#039;t switched off your electric lights.
 
For a reference on the emissions of coal-fired power stations, you could use
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articles/envImp/06analysis.htm which gives the life-cycle emissions of current US coal-fired power as 1,114 g/kWh.

Cheers,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>Yes, the use of candles certainly should be avoided.  And I applaud your analysis &#8212; we need to make sure our efforts are having the effects we intend.  Also, it is good to see that your sensible concluding advice is &#8220;not to light too many candles&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25247677-7583,00.html">Bjorn Lomborg has used the same facts to argue</a> in The Australian newspaper that we should give up on Earth Hour altogether, which is the kind of abuse of statistics for which he has become famous.  Funny to note that he has changed his tune since his book The Skeptical Environmentalist, in which he argues that any response to climate change is a waste of effort.</p>
<p>Another thing to note is that many participants in Earth Hour will have 100% Green Electricity, in which case turning off the lights has minimal impact, and burning candles is then definitely a bad idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree though with your conclusion on the difference between carbon in coal and that in candles, namely that &#8220;the end result in terms of CO2 in the atmosphere is the same&#8221;.  If the wax comes from organic sources, such as beeswax, and not as a by-product of the oil extraction chain, and if the candles would not have been produced if you didn&#8217;t purchase them, then the net effect on the atmosphere of you choosing to burn the candle is zero (ignoring the energy used in production, transport, etc.).  The production of the wax trapped carbon from the atmosphere in the candle, and you are just releasing it again.  This is unlike coal, where the production of it drew nothing from the atmosphere.</p>
<p>Of course, you could have bought the candle and then buried it, thus causing a net withdrawal of C02 from the atmosphere &#8212; but that would be an active C02 reduction strategy, much like any carbon capture and storage program, and really has nothing to do with your consumption of lighting. You could have done the same thing if you hadn&#8217;t switched off your electric lights.</p>
<p>For a reference on the emissions of coal-fired power stations, you could use<br />
<a href="http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articles/envImp/06analysis.htm">http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articles/envImp/06analysis.htm</a> which gives the life-cycle emissions of current US coal-fired power as 1,114 g/kWh.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm - I&#039;m a bit cynical about Earth Hour. Nice calculating BTW.

I&#039;d rather have an evening where everyone bought a CFL for someone is their life - and then you got to turn it on for that hour. Or else you got to do something real rather than playing at being &quot;environmental&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm &#8211; I&#8217;m a bit cynical about Earth Hour. Nice calculating BTW.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have an evening where everyone bought a CFL for someone is their life &#8211; and then you got to turn it on for that hour. Or else you got to do something real rather than playing at being &#8220;environmental&#8221;.</p>
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