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		<title>By: Stubborn Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-22801</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit of a late reply to the comment, but here goes. The classification of borrowers who have been offered some form of &quot;repayment holiday&quot; or other hardship relief does complicate the issue. However, it does not simply understate the delinquencies as the treatment varies from bank to bank: some include these in their delinquency figures and some do not.

Delinquency figures have been rising over recent months but it is not the result of the end of repayment holidays (if anything, given the recent natural disasters, the number of people receiving hardship relief is higher than ever). Rather, we are seeing higher interest rates starting to bite and, in some cases, the effect of the multi-speed economy. Parts of Queensland where there had been oversupply of property (e.g. the Gold Coast) are presenting tough conditions for tradespeople and the high Australian dollar is not helping as it weighs on tourism and other dollar-sensitive sectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of a late reply to the comment, but here goes. The classification of borrowers who have been offered some form of &#8220;repayment holiday&#8221; or other hardship relief does complicate the issue. However, it does not simply understate the delinquencies as the treatment varies from bank to bank: some include these in their delinquency figures and some do not.</p>
<p>Delinquency figures have been rising over recent months but it is not the result of the end of repayment holidays (if anything, given the recent natural disasters, the number of people receiving hardship relief is higher than ever). Rather, we are seeing higher interest rates starting to bite and, in some cases, the effect of the multi-speed economy. Parts of Queensland where there had been oversupply of property (e.g. the Gold Coast) are presenting tough conditions for tradespeople and the high Australian dollar is not helping as it weighs on tourism and other dollar-sensitive sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny White</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-22797</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every weekend, a range of real estate organisations publish auction results, which are rarely the same. There are several reasons for these differences in the results.
The organisations who collect auction data tend to adopt varying geographic definitions for each city that the auction results relate to. For example, city centre vs CBD.
Australian Property Forum&#039;s auction results thread includes clearance rate data from APM, RPData and the Real Estate Institutes. These are published each Saturday evening
&lt;a href=&quot;http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/8385815&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auction Results Sydney&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/8694847&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auction Results Melbourne&lt;/a&gt;
It is very important to remember that there are many differences in the various methodologies used to calculate auction clearance rates by each auction results publisher.
Essentially, the auction clearance rate is intended to offer a snapshot of the balance between supply and demand in the auction market, which can be a leading indicator for the property market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every weekend, a range of real estate organisations publish auction results, which are rarely the same. There are several reasons for these differences in the results.<br />
The organisations who collect auction data tend to adopt varying geographic definitions for each city that the auction results relate to. For example, city centre vs CBD.<br />
Australian Property Forum&#8217;s auction results thread includes clearance rate data from APM, RPData and the Real Estate Institutes. These are published each Saturday evening<br />
<a href="http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/8385815" rel="nofollow">Auction Results Sydney</a><br />
<a href="http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/8694847" rel="nofollow">Auction Results Melbourne</a><br />
It is very important to remember that there are many differences in the various methodologies used to calculate auction clearance rates by each auction results publisher.<br />
Essentially, the auction clearance rate is intended to offer a snapshot of the balance between supply and demand in the auction market, which can be a leading indicator for the property market.</p>
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		<title>By: Big</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-8188</link>
		<dc:creator>Big</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis does not include the governments &quot;12 month Mortgage Repayment Holiday&quot; which stipulated to the banks to give mortgagors reprieve for 12 months if they had lost their jobs and could not repay   - Effectively with the &quot;Repayment holiday&quot; those mortgages would not appear on your data as delinquent as they would be considered on holiday - I would like to see the data well past the the 12 month holiday passing i.e. 12 months after October 2008 i.e. from October 2009 and onwards -you&#039;ll probably find an interesting upswing of delinquencies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis does not include the governments &#8220;12 month Mortgage Repayment Holiday&#8221; which stipulated to the banks to give mortgagors reprieve for 12 months if they had lost their jobs and could not repay   &#8211; Effectively with the &#8220;Repayment holiday&#8221; those mortgages would not appear on your data as delinquent as they would be considered on holiday &#8211; I would like to see the data well past the the 12 month holiday passing i.e. 12 months after October 2008 i.e. from October 2009 and onwards -you&#8217;ll probably find an interesting upswing of delinquencies</p>
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		<title>By: Australian Property Prices &#124; Stubborn Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-6589</link>
		<dc:creator>Australian Property Prices &#124; Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally, I have published the post on why I don&#8217;t think Australia&#8217;s property market will experience the same fate as the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lefty</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-6451</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of our neigbours have simply given up trying to sell and taken their houses off the market. One young couple who have gotten themselves in too deep are trying to sell for what seems like a ridiculous price to me. I ran it through an online mortgage calculator under a number of different scenarios - it turns out that if interest rates were to return to where ther were just before the outbreak of the GFC, on a variable rate, the repayments on this mortgage would be more our entire combined monthly income - no food, no clothing, no nothing, just mortgage payments.

Average household incomes in this resource boom town may be higher than the national average but such prices still seem ludicrous.

Even the &quot;priced-to-sell&quot; house next door would still consume three-quaters of our entire income at pre-GFC rates.

We thank our lucky stars that we built our house just before the real estate boom kicked off and are paying less than 20% of our monthly income in mortgage costs.

Nationwide though, prices seem to show no sign of heading any way other than up (and Steve Keen will be taking that mountain walk).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of our neigbours have simply given up trying to sell and taken their houses off the market. One young couple who have gotten themselves in too deep are trying to sell for what seems like a ridiculous price to me. I ran it through an online mortgage calculator under a number of different scenarios &#8211; it turns out that if interest rates were to return to where ther were just before the outbreak of the GFC, on a variable rate, the repayments on this mortgage would be more our entire combined monthly income &#8211; no food, no clothing, no nothing, just mortgage payments.</p>
<p>Average household incomes in this resource boom town may be higher than the national average but such prices still seem ludicrous.</p>
<p>Even the &#8220;priced-to-sell&#8221; house next door would still consume three-quaters of our entire income at pre-GFC rates.</p>
<p>We thank our lucky stars that we built our house just before the real estate boom kicked off and are paying less than 20% of our monthly income in mortgage costs.</p>
<p>Nationwide though, prices seem to show no sign of heading any way other than up (and Steve Keen will be taking that mountain walk).</p>
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		<title>By: Stubborn Mule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Hookah: &lt;/strong&gt;and sometimes the Government messes up by not intervening when they should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Hookah: </strong>and sometimes the Government messes up by not intervening when they should!</p>
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		<title>By: Hookah</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/07/deleveraging-and-property/comment-page-2/#comment-6427</link>
		<dc:creator>Hookah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems like australia property prices are on par with the US.  They both have the same delevaraging problems.  dang government always messing stuff up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems like australia property prices are on par with the US.  They both have the same delevaraging problems.  dang government always messing stuff up.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;low&quot; rental vacancy rate is a myth peddled by Real Estate Agents. I have been successful in every rental application I have ever made. And if demand was so far in excess of supply, why is it that rents are yielding only 50% of the respective mortgage commitment (see the chart, and read the last par here http://www.bit.ly/cdgjc2)?

It really just goes to the poor quality of the data available in Australia where the primary sources (RP Data, Australian Property Monitors) are just thinly veiled  industry marketing tools, while even the ABS has significant flaws in its data collection (doesn&#039;t count units, doesn&#039;t assess capital works).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;low&#8221; rental vacancy rate is a myth peddled by Real Estate Agents. I have been successful in every rental application I have ever made. And if demand was so far in excess of supply, why is it that rents are yielding only 50% of the respective mortgage commitment (see the chart, and read the last par here <a href="http://www.bit.ly/cdgjc2" rel="nofollow">http://www.bit.ly/cdgjc2</a>)?</p>
<p>It really just goes to the poor quality of the data available in Australia where the primary sources (RP Data, Australian Property Monitors) are just thinly veiled  industry marketing tools, while even the ABS has significant flaws in its data collection (doesn&#8217;t count units, doesn&#8217;t assess capital works).</p>
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		<title>By: firsttimebuyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>firsttimebuyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should of course have read &quot;income tax and/or CGT we would be liable for&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should of course have read &#8220;income tax and/or CGT we would be liable for&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: firsttimebuyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>firsttimebuyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;stubbornmule&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;booboo&lt;/b&gt; I completely agree with your comments re: capital growth - I&#039;m under no illusion that the capital growth in our current property will somehow buy the next one without any further saving. I&#039;m also perfectly aware that the gap between the value of our current property and the &quot;dream home&quot; is always widening in a buoyant market.

What I do hope we&#039;ve done though is index our existing savings with the property market - if property values do keep increasing in line with the historic trend they will grow faster than any other investment we could have made, in part due to the CGT we would be liable for on the returns (we are top bracket tax payers). Certainly if we had kept our savings in cash and prices keep rising the dream home would always remain a dream as our savings would never keep pace.

By investing in a residential property that we live in, rather than shares or term deposits, we have been able to invest a large sum of borrowed money at essentially no additional cost to ourselves. This is because the interest on our loan is roughly equivalent to the rent we would otherwise be paying (substantially less at the moment), and we need to live somewhere! We simply would not be able to service an equivilant loan on an alternative investment, regardless of whether it would provide a better eventual return.

If property prices do crash it means we&#039;ve made a poor decision to buy now. But in consideration of our long term plans it will actually be better for us if they do... so long as we still have enough money between the equity in our current home (less costs) and our cash savings for a deposit on the &quot;dream home&quot; when the time comes. Obviously it will make us look foolish if that happens, but at the end of the day any investment except cash carries an element of risk. You can’t get everything right in life, only try to make rational decisions based on the information to hand - I won&#039;t be beating myself up forever. And besides, my gut still tells me we did the right thing!

Regarding the comments about the housing surplus/shortage, I am in no way qualified or even informed enough to comment on the market as a whole but I would like to share some specific recent experience.

We have two sets of friends (couples) who have been attempting to rent a property in Sydney recently. Both have good incomes and references from previous tenancies. They&#039;re looking for nothing special, a 2 bed townhouse in one case and 3 beds with a bit of yard in the other, both looking on the North Shore.

Every open house they visit is packed with other couples searching for the same thing.

One has now found a place - by offering 10% (!) more than the asking price after searching for 3 months. The others have been looking for nearly 6 months now and have submitted an application for almost every house they have viewed, even offering 6 months rent in advance and been turned down on every occasion, usually because someone has bid over the advertised rent taking the property out of their price range.

If the market is awash with vacant property why can&#039;t our friends find somewhere to live that they can afford to rent?

When we moved out of our rented townhouse house last year the landlord had let it within an hour of the first viewing…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>stubbornmule</b>, <b>booboo</b> I completely agree with your comments re: capital growth &#8211; I&#8217;m under no illusion that the capital growth in our current property will somehow buy the next one without any further saving. I&#8217;m also perfectly aware that the gap between the value of our current property and the &#8220;dream home&#8221; is always widening in a buoyant market.</p>
<p>What I do hope we&#8217;ve done though is index our existing savings with the property market &#8211; if property values do keep increasing in line with the historic trend they will grow faster than any other investment we could have made, in part due to the CGT we would be liable for on the returns (we are top bracket tax payers). Certainly if we had kept our savings in cash and prices keep rising the dream home would always remain a dream as our savings would never keep pace.</p>
<p>By investing in a residential property that we live in, rather than shares or term deposits, we have been able to invest a large sum of borrowed money at essentially no additional cost to ourselves. This is because the interest on our loan is roughly equivalent to the rent we would otherwise be paying (substantially less at the moment), and we need to live somewhere! We simply would not be able to service an equivilant loan on an alternative investment, regardless of whether it would provide a better eventual return.</p>
<p>If property prices do crash it means we&#8217;ve made a poor decision to buy now. But in consideration of our long term plans it will actually be better for us if they do&#8230; so long as we still have enough money between the equity in our current home (less costs) and our cash savings for a deposit on the &#8220;dream home&#8221; when the time comes. Obviously it will make us look foolish if that happens, but at the end of the day any investment except cash carries an element of risk. You can’t get everything right in life, only try to make rational decisions based on the information to hand &#8211; I won&#8217;t be beating myself up forever. And besides, my gut still tells me we did the right thing!</p>
<p>Regarding the comments about the housing surplus/shortage, I am in no way qualified or even informed enough to comment on the market as a whole but I would like to share some specific recent experience.</p>
<p>We have two sets of friends (couples) who have been attempting to rent a property in Sydney recently. Both have good incomes and references from previous tenancies. They&#8217;re looking for nothing special, a 2 bed townhouse in one case and 3 beds with a bit of yard in the other, both looking on the North Shore.</p>
<p>Every open house they visit is packed with other couples searching for the same thing.</p>
<p>One has now found a place &#8211; by offering 10% (!) more than the asking price after searching for 3 months. The others have been looking for nearly 6 months now and have submitted an application for almost every house they have viewed, even offering 6 months rent in advance and been turned down on every occasion, usually because someone has bid over the advertised rent taking the property out of their price range.</p>
<p>If the market is awash with vacant property why can&#8217;t our friends find somewhere to live that they can afford to rent?</p>
<p>When we moved out of our rented townhouse house last year the landlord had let it within an hour of the first viewing…</p>
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