<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: No hiding the cost of emissions reduction</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/</link>
	<description>Obstinately objective</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 00:13:41 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stubborn Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5983</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5983</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Marco:&lt;/b&gt; it&#039;s certainly not looking too promising for the ETS at the moment. The only hope I can see for it at the moment lies with the Greens if they end up deciding that a less than ideal scheme is better than no scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Marco:</b> it&#8217;s certainly not looking too promising for the ETS at the moment. The only hope I can see for it at the moment lies with the Greens if they end up deciding that a less than ideal scheme is better than no scheme.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5975</guid>
		<description>You may be right on this, Stubborn.

Anyway, this whole issue seems to have become more academic than practical. Or at least this is how it&#039;s looking to me.

Do you think everything concrete will come out of this ETS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right on this, Stubborn.</p>
<p>Anyway, this whole issue seems to have become more academic than practical. Or at least this is how it&#8217;s looking to me.</p>
<p>Do you think everything concrete will come out of this ETS?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stubborn Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5970</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5970</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Marco: &lt;/b&gt;one of the key features of an emissions trading scheme is that the &quot;right&quot; to emit they confer are temporary not permanent. The proposal under the CPRS scheme is that the permits cover a year&#039;s worth of emissions. The CPRS White Paper proposes that four &quot;vintages&quot; be sold: permits for the current year and for three future years, which gives emitters some room for hedging their exposure as plans to reduce emissions are likely to take some time.

Having said that, I understand your concerns about the trading scheme being a license for intermediaries to make money. At this point, however, it does have the advantage of being advanced to the point of having legislation prepared. Getting a tax done now would take much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Marco: </b>one of the key features of an emissions trading scheme is that the &#8220;right&#8221; to emit they confer are temporary not permanent. The proposal under the CPRS scheme is that the permits cover a year&#8217;s worth of emissions. The CPRS White Paper proposes that four &#8220;vintages&#8221; be sold: permits for the current year and for three future years, which gives emitters some room for hedging their exposure as plans to reduce emissions are likely to take some time.</p>
<p>Having said that, I understand your concerns about the trading scheme being a license for intermediaries to make money. At this point, however, it does have the advantage of being advanced to the point of having legislation prepared. Getting a tax done now would take much longer.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5963</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5963</guid>
		<description>I think your analysis is quite realistic, Stubborn. 

In the end, all these schemes imply a cost. Still, I tend to prefer the carbon tax one.

Firstly, the idea of creating a new financial instrument that can be manipulated by investment banks gives me the creeps.

Second, if you remember your post about the Prisoner&#039;s Dilemma/Tragedy of the Commons, the idea most neoclassical economists have to solve the puzzle is to give property rights to a group, that will take care of the commons. The introduction of carbon emission permits is one step in this direction: they give emitters a right over a part of the environment. Once this step is taken, what is to keep from similar things being adopted in other areas?
It didn&#039;t work too well in Bolivia, where water rights were given to a corporation that owned even rainwater.

Third, tax are more transparent and understandable than these permits, whose price dynamics will be entirely whimsical.

Finally, all these schemes allow for a redistribution of the proceeds among the population. Rudd has used this idea as a sweetener, in the few occasions he went into selling his idea.

Anyway, that&#039;s just my 2 cents worth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your analysis is quite realistic, Stubborn. </p>
<p>In the end, all these schemes imply a cost. Still, I tend to prefer the carbon tax one.</p>
<p>Firstly, the idea of creating a new financial instrument that can be manipulated by investment banks gives me the creeps.</p>
<p>Second, if you remember your post about the Prisoner&#8217;s Dilemma/Tragedy of the Commons, the idea most neoclassical economists have to solve the puzzle is to give property rights to a group, that will take care of the commons. The introduction of carbon emission permits is one step in this direction: they give emitters a right over a part of the environment. Once this step is taken, what is to keep from similar things being adopted in other areas?<br />
It didn&#8217;t work too well in Bolivia, where water rights were given to a corporation that owned even rainwater.</p>
<p>Third, tax are more transparent and understandable than these permits, whose price dynamics will be entirely whimsical.</p>
<p>Finally, all these schemes allow for a redistribution of the proceeds among the population. Rudd has used this idea as a sweetener, in the few occasions he went into selling his idea.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s just my 2 cents worth</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stubborn Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5941</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubborn Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5941</guid>
		<description>On the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/01/left-right-climate-change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last climate-change post&lt;/a&gt; I did get one rather rapid post talking about New World Order conspiracies. However, it breached the Mule&#039;s &lt;a href=http://www.stubbornmule.net/about/policies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment policy&lt;/a&gt; when it descended into racism, so it didn&#039;t see the light of day. So far I&#039;ve had nothing similar on this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the <a href="http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/01/left-right-climate-change/">last climate-change post</a> I did get one rather rapid post talking about New World Order conspiracies. However, it breached the Mule&#8217;s <a href=http://www.stubbornmule.net/about/policies/">comment policy</a> when it descended into racism, so it didn&#8217;t see the light of day. So far I&#8217;ve had nothing similar on this post.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.stubbornmule.net/2010/02/no-hiding-the-cost-of-emissions-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-5940</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stubbornmule.net/?p=2644#comment-5940</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m just amazed that a whole 24 hours after this post, no climate-denier nutters have found this and told you it&#039;s all a great big UN/Israeli/Banker led conspiracy !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just amazed that a whole 24 hours after this post, no climate-denier nutters have found this and told you it&#8217;s all a great big UN/Israeli/Banker led conspiracy !</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
